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โธ 19d ago
Due to the influx of LLM assisted shovelware, these are the rules that are now required
if you use LLMs either in part or full for development to promote your project here.
โข You must demonstrate that you have a clear knowledge of your project's codebase.
This one is very simple. The most immediate sign that a project is LLM shovelware is if
you can't even bother to write your own README. If I see โ a slew of โ em dashes
everywhere, "It's not ABC โ it's X, Y, and Z with DEF", ๐ emoji and table vomit that LLMs
love, and the usual slop, I can more or less gleam in 30 seconds your project is
shovelware.
This is embarrassing. There are even ways to deslop LLM output if you can be assed to put
in the bare minimum effort. https://github.com/realrossmanngroup/no_ai_slop_writing_rules
Another one is clear functional design patterns.
A common design pattern used by LLMs that makes things borderline malicious is excessive
announces. The number of projects spewed out by LLMs that love to try announcing every 10
seconds and for some bizzare reason shoving everything in the app_data of an announce
I can't even count.
If your project is a LLM assisted port of the Reticulum Python implementation, it must be
compatible with the Python reference implementation. If it can't even work with one of
the scripts from the Examples folder then go wrangle your LLM until it does. There are
like 6 LLM tooled Rust "ports" sitting on Github that can barely handle a link, despite
reporting "feature complete".
The next one:
โข Your project must have 6 months of commit history
Most LLM projects I see particularly in relation to Reticulum are abandoned after the
first few months with little support afterwards. 6 months of commit history is more than
enough to demonstrate that you are committed to maintaining your project, even if that is
through the use of LLMs exclusively.
And lastly:
โข Your project or post should have an LLM disclaimer usage. This is not a requirement
but a recommendation.
That's it.
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โธ 19d ago
As the author ("editor"? "curator"?) of an LLM-assisted Reticulum port, I find these
rules fair.
Of course a bummer that this means reticulum-js won't be listed here in next five months,
and instead the broken-and-unmaintained rns.js is.
But at the same time, the five months will give me time to get much further with the
port. Now we're pretty good with running a "leaf node", but I do want to get transport
node capabilities in. And that also means looking at all those new routing improvements
that landed in Python rns 1.4. And in that time I should have a few more reticulum-js
powered projects up and running on top of the existing Signal K and Yjs integrations.
In that timescale we will also be sheltering from the southern Pacific cyclone season,
which means I will have at least a few weeks of dedicated time to work on this instead of
sailing around.
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โ Zenith #3 โ
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โธ 19d ago
bergie wrote:
> As the author ("editor"? "curator"?) of an LLM-assisted Reticulum
port, I find these rules fair.
>
> Of course a bummer that this means reticulum-js won't be listed here in next five
months, and instead the broken-and-unmaintained rns.js is.
>
> But at the same time, the five months will give me time to get much further with the
port. Now we're pretty good with running a "leaf node", but I do want to
get transport node capabilities in. And that also means looking at all those new routing
improvements that landed in Python rns 1.4. And in that time I should have a few more
reticulum-js powered projects up and running on top of the existing Signal K and Yjs
integrations.
>
> In that timescale we will also be sheltering from the southern Pacific cyclone season,
which means I will have at least a few weeks of dedicated time to work on this instead of
sailing around.
Yes its fine you can post updates about reticulum-js no worries
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โธ 19d ago
This is why global ret blackhole management is a must against the ever increasing
shovelware across transport nodes. Hyperscaling agents do not respect the Zen manifesto
(as bandwidth is finite).
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โ jrl290 #5 โ
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โธ 1d ago
A little while ago, I posted something saying "this is why we need Reticulum" and
referred to censorship in Russia. More than one person gave me their "how dare you
unilaterally declare the purpose of Reticulum"
Ironic, since I could quote the "Zen of Reticulum" first page of text in support of the
comment. Also, I wasn't excluding anyone else's use of Reticulum by making my statement
Here in this post is someone unilaterally deciding what other people are or aren't
allowed to do. Along with weird pet peeves that don't actually say anything about
quality.
For example, supposing that an ESL person decided to use AI to write his README for
better grammar and clarity. Each paragraph, he writes his version of the description, and
AI translates it into better English. Is he going to then edit out the em dashes? No,
because they're irrelevant to the meaning of the paragraph.
By all means, provide your support or opposition. Better yet, justify it concretely. But
if you don't think that a human can spam announces or have half written poorly maintained
and buggy code, you are sorely mistaken.
Reticulum assumes that every peer on the network is potentially hostile, and every link
is potentially compromised. You're not going to be able to shame people into not being
compromised. The one thing that nobody can beat, no matter how much AI is used, is
physics. You're not doing anyone any favors by trying to pretend that we're not operating
at that level
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โ zenith #6 โ
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jrl290 wrote:
> A little while ago, I posted something saying "this is why we need Reticulum"
and referred to censorship in Russia. More than one person gave me their "how dare
you unilaterally declare the purpose of Reticulum"
>
> Ironic, since I could quote the "Zen of Reticulum" first page of text in
support of the comment. Also, I wasn't excluding anyone else's use of Reticulum
by making my statement
>
> Here in this post is someone unilaterally deciding what other people are or aren't
allowed to do. Along with weird pet peeves that don't actually say anything about
quality.
>
> For example, supposing that an ESL person decided to use AI to write his README for
better grammar and clarity. Each paragraph, he writes his version of the description, and
AI translates it into better English. Is he going to then edit out the em dashes? No,
because they're irrelevant to the meaning of the paragraph.
>
> By all means, provide your support or opposition. Better yet, justify it concretely.
But if you don't think that a human can spam announces or have half written poorly
maintained and buggy code, you are sorely mistaken.
>
> Reticulum assumes that every peer on the network is potentially hostile, and every link
is potentially compromised. You're not going to be able to shame people into not
being compromised. The one thing that nobody can beat, no matter how much AI is used, is
physics. You're not doing anyone any favors by trying to pretend that we're not
operating at that level
I never once, in any of my posts condemned the use of LLMs entirely.
I am not going to answer every gotcha or trick question like I am in some court of law.
If you want to make software it has to work. Not pass some random shell script invention
"Harness" that your "agent" shat out. It has to WORK in the objective meaning of the
word.
Thanks for reminding me to delete your shit too, btw. Your "RFed" sloppulus and "mobile
app" DON'T FUCKING WORK. A nice usable MTU of 70 bytes to maybe fit a handful of words in
and a jank broken IOS app that does about 1/2 of what is even needed for minimum viable
functionality. All shat out by an LLM of course. Because you have literally no
understanding of anything and rely on the black box to do it for you.
If LLMs could produce WORKING, FUNCTIONAL code, I wouldn't give a shit. I literally would
not care. I'm not some luddite against LLMs., I am against people shitting up this forum
with slop. And if you have to ask "is this slop" the answer is probably yes.
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โธ 1d ago
>I never once, in any of my posts condemned the use of LLMs entirely.
Listen to yourself. You're not even responding to something I said. Just look how
infuriated you get by the notion that em dashes aren't a good indicator of code quality
>Your "RFed" sloppulus and "mobile app" DON'T FUCKING WORK
They work for many things. And for other things they are still being developed. That's
how development works. Things don't work. And then they do a little bit. And then
something else goes wrong. And so you develop some more. And you get some people to help
test for you. Sometimes that even happens within 6 months of publishing on a
repository...
The sad thing is, the people you're railing against, that you hate so much, they aren't
in these forums. Nobody here is DoSing those backbone nodes, on purpose or otherwise.
You're so angry. You have to shit on the people looking to help build something
("luddite" is written all over that comment btw)
Anyway, I'm sure that these social skills have worked awesome for you in life. I'll keep
on writing code that nobody else is. And I'll happily spend my time, effort, skill, and
money to do so
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โ zenith #8 โ
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โธ 1d ago
jrl290 wrote:
> >I never once, in any of my posts condemned the use of LLMs entirely.
>
> Listen to yourself. You're not even responding to something I said. Just look how
infuriated you get by the notion that em dashes aren't a good indicator of code
quality
>
> >Your "RFed" sloppulus and "mobile app" DON'T FUCKING WORK
>
> They work for many things. And for other things they are still being developed.
That's how development works. Things don't work. And then they do a little bit.
And then something else goes wrong. And so you develop some more. And you get some people
to help test for you. Sometimes that even happens within 6 months of publishing on a
repository...
>
> The sad thing is, the people you're railing against, that you hate so much, they
aren't in these forums. Nobody here is DoSing those backbone nodes, on purpose or
otherwise. You're so angry. You have to shit on the people looking to help build
something ("luddite" is written all over that comment btw)
>
> Anyway, I'm sure that these social skills have worked awesome for you in life.
I'll keep on writing code that nobody else is. And I'll happily spend my time,
effort, skill, and money to do so
Blow it out your ass.
Btw, anyone else reading this who thinks this is harsh or mean to not just relentlessly
shit up this forum with stuff that doesn't work cranked out in an hour with Claude Code
can fuck off too. Maybe Reddit is more your cup of tea. Thanks!
Oh yeah, "writing"? Yeah, lot's of writing there bro.
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โธ 1d ago
> Oh yeah, "writing"? Yeah, lot's of writing there bro.
> [image]
> [image]
That image shows a 5 month old repo with Claude only showing up in the last month
Maybe you need to chill man
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โธ 1d ago
Anonymous wrote:
> > Oh yeah, "writing"? Yeah, lot's of writing there bro.
> > [image]
> > [image]
>
> That image shows a 5 month old repo with Claude only showing up in the last month
>
> Maybe you need to chill man
Literally all of it is Claude https://github.com/jrl290/Reticulum-rust
I am exhausted with being gaslight on my own forum by techbro sloperators.
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